Passion, Challenges, and Courage in Dentistry with Dr. Bilal Saib

Passion, Challenges, and Courage in Dentistry with Dr. Bilal SaibToday’s episode is a little different. Instead of me interviewing our guest, Dr. Bilal Saib of The Passionate Dentist podcast, we interview each other about the highs and lows of our careers and the joys of podcasting.

Dr. B is a fellow dentist and podcaster based in North Carolina. He’s also a frequent missionary to the West Bank, where he performs free dental work in communities in need. In this episode, we talk about how our shows have given us a greater sense of community with other dentists, and dig into our careers.

Dr. B and I talk about the lack of confidence among dentists, which is exacerbated by our tendency to only talk about the good things happening in our practices. We discuss the self-reflection that goes into building your own practice and learning how to manage a team, and how it’s made us better people. Dr. B also shares some of his experiences with missionary work, a unique but meaningful challenge he feels compelled to undertake.

Key Quotes:

  • When you decide to own dental practice, you have to step up to the plate and do what is required of you.
  • The thing that makes us more fulfilled and makes our practices grow is the psychology of you, the owner, and there’s nothing more powerful in psychology than confidence.
  • What the practice requires of me has made me such a better person.
  • I go on mission trips because I’m sharing my gift. And my gift is all these little tidbits of things that are lined up perfectly to create this perfect environment.
  • I chose to have a low volume, high-quality practice even before I started my practice.
  • Dentists are sometimes so benevolent that we forget the time and energy that we put into our education, hiring and firing staff, and patient relationships – there’s a lot of equity there – either because we come from humble beginnings or because we come from a place of give, give give.
  • One of the first questions I ask dental students is: “why did you choose to become a dentist?”
  • The first check I ever wrote myself was $100. It was a symbolic gesture of my three year anniversary.
  • You learn a lot from practice management because when you have a busy practice, you learn what you want and you learn what you really don’t want. And there’s huge value in knowing what you want.
  • Don’t treat insurance patients differently than non-insurance patients. Don’t cut your quality short. Do your very best with every patient, even if they’re on insurance.

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Becoming the Child Whisperer with Dr. Josh Wren

Becoming the Child Whisperer with Dr. Josh Wren - RD Podcast Fellow Relentless Dentists, this week I’m proud to bring you an interview with accomplished young dentist Dr. Josh Wren. Dr. Wren owns a practice in Mississippi, where he specializes in treating pediatric patients in a compassionate and efficient manner. He also publishes courses online about pediatric dentistry so fellow dentists can benefit from his wealth of knowledge.

Josh and I talk about his educational journey and how a great dental experience at age seven made him want to be a dentist. Josh also shares some technical tips about why stainless steel crowns should be a staple in your toolbox, and how to handle the parents of your young patients.

We then discuss how to know whether you should keep a patient in-house or refer them out. Josh also talks about struggling practices around the country, and how you can immediately increase your patient volume. Josh also offers an awesome discount for his upcoming live course in Chicago, “Pediatric Dental Pearls for the General Dentist,” taking place on May 19th & 20th this year – see details below!

Key Quotes:

  • I don’t like the term behavior modification or management – I prefer the term behavior guidance.
  • That’s my drive – for general dentists to have the knowledge that I as a board-certified pediatric dentist have.
  • An expert in anything was once just a beginner.
  • If you’re out there and don’t have a stainless steel crown kit but you have pediatric patients, do yourself a favor and get one. It’s the most predictable, efficient procedure we can do in dentistry.
  • If you can get the child to trust you, and not hurt them, and finish all of the treatment in two appointments or less, keep them in-house as a general dentist.
  • I’m a big believer in a 20-30 minute appointment, max, for a child under eight.
  • I hear dentists are struggling these days with insurance-based practices, whether to go in-network because they’re struggling with patient base and volume – and one way to immediately increase that is to become more of a family dentist.
  • We’ve gotta start focusing on the good and stop focusing on one failure out of fifty.

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Deliece Hofen on “Hope Filled Living”

Quotes & Notes:Deliece Hofen on "Hope Filled Living" - Relentless Dentist Podcasts

  • “He had a 30% chance for a 5 year survival.”
  • “Braden and I actually had chemo on the same days. We were bald together.”
  • “If you are strong enough and brave enough to just get up and keep fighting then I’m going to keep fighting too.”
  • “We’re lucky we even get a chance to even try anything.”
  • “If this is the only time that we get, do I want to spend it with me in bed with the pillow over my head…”
  • “Just make the days good.”
  • “It’s been absolutely amazing to see the beauty of the human spirit.”
  • “…it makes you want to turn around and continue doing good for other people.”
  • “I’m a stubborn enough person that fear actually fuels me into action.”
  • “I’m scared out of my mind but I refuse to allow cancer to stop us dead in our tracks.”
  • Mantra – Everything around us is a gift.

If you would like to connect with Deliece go to Braden’s Hope for Childhood Cancer –

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