Making The Best Even Better with Drs. Molly and Corey Karmazin

Two of my favorite people in this profession, Dr. Molly Karmazin and Dr. Corey Karmazin, join me on this week’s podcast to unpack their secrets to success. Drs. Corey and Molly are among those featured in my “Dentist On A Mission” book. They practice in a gorgeous, state-of-the-art facility in Sioux Falls, SD alongside a very enthusiastic high-performance team.

Listen in as Drs. Molly and Corey talk about how they made their scratch-start dream a reality, how they continue to reinvest in their practice and refine their leadership style to make the best better. They will also share their insights on culture, systems, and lifelong learning.

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Key Quotes:

  • “They said in school, one of the hardest things you can do is probably start your own from scratch. And we were like, let’s do it.”
  • “I think with the information overload that we get now, I think it would feel daunting. I’d probably still do it [a startup practice].”
  • “We’re always big in putting time and effort back into the team because I think it always pays off in spades.”
  • “Sometimes you take it personally when people make a decision to make a change. And I feel like there’s no real substitute for just experiencing that. And I won’t say that it makes you kind of cold, but it makes you realize to really appreciate what you have at any given time and just know like there’s going to be things that are switched out.”
  • “Anytime someone leaves, this is always for the better. And then it makes our expectations and levels even higher for the next one and we’re quicker to make decisions whether things are working or not.”
  • “The thing that I’ve learned, probably the most in the last couple of years, is we’ve found our voice and it doesn’t have to come off as bossy. And being a leader is telling people what you want and giving them the tools to be able to do that.”
  • “We had to invest in technology. We had to computerize the office because I wanted to have a seamless flow from our Sioux Falls office to this office. So it was kind of fun.”
  • “I still can’t believe we still have patients that we saw like day one. I felt like I knew nothing. I felt like my skills were there, but they weren’t there where they are now. And you’re just like, Oh, these people saw it in you. And they were like, you can do it.”
  • “I think doing it on your own, from the get go, you invest so much more in yourself and the business. Whether it’s with technology or remodel, whether it’s just trying to be on top and up, we just constantly re-investing.”
  • Every single patient through the door has either come because they’ve picked up the phone and took a chance on us or they have now told other people. And so, we really do very little advertising. A lot of our patients come from, Hey, so-and-so told me to come see you.”
  • “Our confidence in ourselves that we can deliver has made a huge difference.”
  • “You don’t know what you don’t know and you think you’re doing a good job and you can do great dentistry forever in that little bubble. It’s just been such a pleasure to burst outside of it and to be able to start different things.”
  • “Make connections with dentists all across the country and even the world.”
  • “You can’t complain and get angry and bitter when you come from a place of gratitude.”
  • “Starting each day with a thing of gratitude, I think, has changed everybody.”

Corey and Molly Karmazin started their dental practice 18 years ago in Sioux Falls, SD. They have embraced continuing education and technology and A-Team atmosphere at their office. Grace, Gratitude and Attitude help make each day at Karmazin Dental a GREAT DAY!

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Making Introversion Work To Your Advantage with Matthew Pollard

Making Introversion Work To Your Advantage with Matthew Pollard I have a confession to make. My journey to business was not a piece of cake. You see, I’m an introvert posing to be an extroverted guy trying to connect with the community where I was building my practice. Then came Matthew Pollard, the person that I can relate to. He is the author of the well-received books “The Introvert’s Edge. How the Quiet and Shy Can Outsell Anyone” and “The Introvert’s Edge To Networking”. He’s also a confessed introvert. Yet, instead of making his introversion a handicap, he successfully transformed it into an asset and made it work to his advantage.

Listen in as Matthew talks about how to find systems that will allow you to fill those skills gaps and leverage on your natural introverted strengths.  Find a strategy as an introvert that will work for you.

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Key Quotes:

  • “I think the important thing people will realize is, being an introvert doesn’t mean you’re a second-class citizen. It also doesn’t mean you should behave more extroverted and that’s the key to success.”
  • “The important thing for introverts to know is that your job is not to educate the client with your years of experience. It’s to motivate and inspire action while embedding you as the only logical choice of which to do that action with.” 
  • “So the biggest thing that I want everyone to know is first, you don’t need to be extroverted. But as an introvert, it’s not over. Educate and inform to get them to make a decision. It’s to tell them what they need to know to help them make an easy decision.”
  • “Let’s frame this in a way that everyone will understand. Real costs — Okay, I’m going to need concentrating because I haven’t done this expensive thing. Second, opportunity costs. Here’s what it’s going to look like if I grind my teeth for the next 20 years and the expensive treatments that I’m going to potentially have because of that.  And the emotional cost is, I’m stressed.”
  • “You said, we know this, we know this, we know this, we know this. Yes you do. But by saying all of these things, here’s what I hear as a customer. Okay. Fear, fear, jargon, issues, risk, fear, and money. That is all I hear in my head. It sounds like you’re trying to scare me into spending money. It does not sound like you care.”
  • “People always have the money. They just act to you that they don’t because all they’re hearing is jargon. Now your teams are just as bad at this. As a matter of fact, they are less experienced than you.”
  • “Don’t sell stuff to people that they don’t need. Which story I’d prefer you to is just use logical detail because then, you won’t get the sale. But if you go in to tell a story, make sure that the person will truly benefit.” 
  • “If you choose a clientele that you really serve, well, then look at the three major outcomes, or the three major problems that they had and create one story for each one of those. Then learn those stories and practice those stories yourself, and like, just roll off the tongue.” 
  • “Congruence and comfortability and repetition of people hearing the same story over and over will motivate them to take action.”
  • “Things have changed. We don’t like getting scared into decisions anymore, right? We love to believe that the person if we believe that you care, we’ll buy anything you put in front of us. If we believe that you’re trying to monetize, we’ll buy nothing. And then we’ll start looking around.”
  • “In truth, the reason why a lot of your customers don’t respect you like they used to, the reason why a lot of your customers aren’t open to you suggesting what to buy is mainly because it’s a marketing issue. You don’t know how to articulate your value.”
  • “We have to confront that stigma because it doesn’t mean being introverted, doesn’t mean we’re second class citizens. It means our path to success is just different to that of an extrovert. The other thing is we have to stop using it as a crutch.” 
  • “Empathy is hugely leadership. Empathy is massive in sales listening. It’s something that extroverts perhaps don’t do so well. And because of that, again, we have a massive advantage.” 
  • “I’ve been responsible for five multimillion-dollar success stories. So for me, one of the things that I always try to get people to understand about my story is that being an introvert doesn’t mean you can’t succeed unless you decide.”
  • “Find a strategy as an introvert that will work for you. And you’ll realize that when you find that strategy, you’ll actually run circles around those people that seem to be natural because a system will always outperform one that doesn’t have one.”

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Streamlining Referrals with Steve Gordon

Streamlining Referrals with Steve Gordon - Relentless DentistSo many of us spend a fortune on ads, both digital and otherwise, but ROI on ad spend is minimal. Referrals are clearly one of the best ways to gain loyal, returning patients, but asking for those referrals is often too uncomfortable. So in this episode, Steve Gordon joins us to share his expertise on how to ask for and receive referrals in a way that is less intrusive and easier for your customers.

Listen in as we discuss the discomfort around asking for referrals and how to get past that by finding ways to inject value that will trigger streams of regular referrals. You will learn how to start moving past your comfort zone and finding the right way to prompt referrals in a natural way. Steve also shares tips and systems that simplify the referral process, for both the business and the client, in order to keep referrals coming in endlessly.

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Key Quotes:

  • “Turn that into a situation where you’re actually injecting value into the relationship that actually triggers the referral.”
  • “83% of customers are willing to refer after a positive experience, yet only 29% actually do.”
  • “You take it from ‘hey can you bring someone in the door to be a patient?’ to ‘we’re on a mission to solve this particular problem for people, and I need your help on this mission.’ When you make it about enrolling them in the mission, all of a sudden you’re now aligned and they’re alongside you trying to help you.”
  • “When you take the work off of them, your results tend to increase.”
  • “You put yourself in the place of the patient and design a process that makes the whole experience easy for them.”
  • “Take a tool or a process and wrap some marketing around it, give it a name, and explain it. Not only do you end up with a more educated client or patient, but now when they’re out in public, they can talk about what you do.”

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Impactful Practice Culture with Dr. Paul Etchison

When I talk to dentists, a lot of the conversation is about how to get everyone rowing in the same direction. In this episode, my good friend Dr. Paul Etchison joins me to share his insight and years of expertise on leadership and implementing systems that create a unified and purposeful practice.

Listen in as Dr. Etchison talks about why wanting to be the best is not enough and why it’s important to focus on a bigger, more meaningful picture. He shares how he maintains order and good communication as the business grows, what he does to attract the best team members, and how that, in turn, creates an office culture that allows the practice to succeed.

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Key Quotes:

  • “We’ve grown a lot faster, and when we started taking it exponentially higher was when I dropped down to three days of clinical.”
  • “Over eight years—not a single person has left.”
  • “We want to win. Everyone is working together, and everyone just kind of has that mentality that ‘let’s get better at this.’ I think the results speak for themselves.”
  • “We’re not just being the best in town; we’re changing how the public thinks about dentistry so that we can help more people.”
  • “I’m leading by example by taking good care of patients.”
  • “We have to look at the macro implications of what we do all day. That’s what is inspirational to the team: knowing that even the little stuff makes a big difference. You have to communicate that as the leader.”
  • “We talk about what we need to improve so much that we forget about what we’re doing well.”
  • “Learn from people that are doing it well. Always be learning.”

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Everything you do in your practice is a marketing function!

Quotes & Notes:Everything you do in your practice is a marketing function! - RD Podcast

  • “When an underdog fought like David, he usually won. But most underdogs don’t fight like David.”
  • The book is all about working smarter, not harder.
  • Let’s treat marketing as a system. That’s what Duct-tape Marketing became.
  • If you can picture an hourglass, that top of the hourglass looks like a funnel. But what if the bottom half of the funnel became something that opens back up and instead of getting a one time customer at the end of that funnel, you get a repeat customer that also refers customers to you.

The marketing hourglass has seven steps in it, and the steps are:

Know, Like, Trust, Try, Buy, Repeat, Refer.

  • When you start to think of marketing like this, everything you do in your business becomes a marketing function.
  • A strategic partner is another business owner who serves the same target market that you do, but who is not your competition.
  • This prospect of a strategic partnership is a long-term endeavor, not something that you can do overnight, and it does take time, effort and energy from both parties to make it work really well.
  • When you think of sponsorships, that what you think of, your logo slapped on somebody else’s stuff. And those types of sponsorships are great, that is some that you should do. It is not marketing.
  • It is very very difficult to get people happy with your service to take the time and energy to leave a positive review with you online. So the flip-side to that is that somebody who has had a terrible experience, or a bad experience, and who feels like they have some sort of injustice, they are going to feel very motivated to take revenge by going online and leaving a negative review.
  • If you have 10 or 15 positive reviews, if you get one, one-star review, nobody is going to pay attention to that.
  • You want to build up that positive online reputation so that when the totally unjustified negative reviews come in, it’s really no big deal.
  • Whatever you do, don’t get into a public argument with your customers who leave negative reviews, and don’t take legal action against them. The only thing worse than a negative review online would be a story in the media about you suing one of the patients.
  • You really need to go onto wherever this review is appearing publicly and respond in a way that’s saying, “I’m really sorry about your experience.” You want to apologize not necessarily for what happened but apologize for that they had a bad experience. Let them know that you would like to do everything possible to resolve the situation, and invite them into a private forum where they can do that with them.
  • There are so many people using mobile devices now, in fact, more people in the US access the internet with a mobile device than desktops and laptops combined. Google came out and said, “If your website is not mobile-friendly then we are going to make it more difficult for it to show up in search results.”

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